Latest
issue
Uniting the world of spa & wellness
Get Spa Business and Spa Business insider digital magazines FREE
Sign up here ▸
News   Features   Products   Company profilesProfiles   Press releasesProfiles   Magazine   Handbook   Advertise    Subscribe  
NEWS
Spameeting EMEA panel 4: are GMs stubborn or are spa managers high maintenance?
POSTED 07 Dec 2015 . BY Helen Andrews
Lindsay Madden-Naddeau said GMs need to be properly motivated to look after spa, by having the spa revenue figures contribute directly to GM bonus scheme rewards
The fourth panel at Spameeting EMEA at the Meydan Hotel in Dubai yesterday (6 December) was about the relationship between hotel general managers and spa staff. Spa directors and executives asked hospitality experts why GMs are stubborn when it comes to implementing plans for spa.

Kathryn Moore of Spa Connectors led the panel, which included Clive McNish of GOCO, Lindsay Madden-Nadeau of FRHI and Patrick Antaki – complex GM of Le Meridien Al Aqah Beach Resort and Al Maha desert resort and Tennis & Country Club in Fujairah.

Antaki said that, as a GM, his biggest challenge is changing customer expectations, experience and spending patterns.

“Customers aren’t spending as much as they used to, even in some of the very high end resorts we’ve seen a reduction in clients’ spend,” said Antaki. “It’s therefore about keeping associates motivated and to make sure they are selling.”

Moore asked if it is the spa manager’s job to make sure that the spa team is selling products and Antaki answered that it’s everyone’s job to sell.

Madden-Nadeau countered that from a spa manager’s perspective it’s hard to get the support required from the GM, which makes getting the financial results harder.

“Building a relationship with your GM, as a spa manager, is the most important lesson I’ve learned to move forward and have my initiatives recognised and implemented,” said Madden-Nadeau.

From a corporate perspective, however, Madden-Nadeau said that GMs see their hotels as their personal empire. “When they hear the word ‘corporate’, GMs aren’t open-minded.”

Patrick said this is because the spa is part of the hotel, and that makes it the GM’s domain: “GMs are the ones who have to explain not having achieved the bottom-line.”

Amid much disagreement, Madden-Nadeau highlighted that spa is not an area most GMs are comfortable with – they don’t know about utilisation of therapists and KPIs. GMs need to trust that they have corporate teams that are specialists.

“We aren’t here to compete with GMs – we need to help them make money so we can make money too. GMs need to drop their egos at the door and allow us to come in and educate teams so we can all meet our goals,” added Madden-Nadeau.

McNish of GOCO – playing devil's advocate – noted, however, that hospitality staff and therapists seem to be from different worlds – “Spa is a high maintenance department. While hospitality staff understand they have to work 16-hour shifts, therapists have evenings planned – and when they don’t want to stay, there’s often crying and pleading. When a therapist eventually weakens and stays grudgingly to carry out the treatment, you still get a complaint anyway! Spa is the only department that gets a break room, they’re off sick, GMs don’t understand why they should pay therapists commission because they don’t pay waiters to serve food. Therapists and spas work with a salon mindset and not a hospitality attitude.”

Moore agreed that there’s some truth in this ‘high maintenance’ perspective but Madden-Nadeau insisted that being a massage therapist is a tough role.

“It takes a lot of work to teach someone how to give a treatment – not that being a waiter or delivering hospitality service isn’t hard too – but as a therapist you react to people’s energy in a spa,” said Madden-Nadeau. “As a therapist you can be dealing with a client’s negative energy for a whole hour several times a day, so it’s emotionally draining.”

“I try to explain spa to GMs like a restaurant. If I have only seven tables in my restaurant (spa) and I can only flip them once an hour – rather than a hotel restaurant that can be flipped twice an hour – I need support to make money. The support from the GM is what can enable me to create a seven treatment room Michelin spa,” added Madden-Nadeau.

Andrew Gibson, also of FRHI, spoke from the audience: “You have to bridge the gap and speak hotel talk to hotel people to get them to understand the relevance of spa. However, I think there’s a fundamental problem for GMs – most of them are trained in 10 of the top hotel schools in the world but these schools offer 11 weeks of engineering, weeks of F&B and only one week of optional spa-focused training. GMs aren’t trained in this sphere and if you aren’t comfortable about something you tend to avoid it or pass it on to someone else. This will only change for GMs when the curriculum changes, and when they are taught to become asset managers – to get all the revenue possible from a hotel’s different features.”

Antaki agreed that schools need to change their curriculum to reflect spa management but he said a GM can’t be an effective specialist in each department, so the professionals need to advise the GM.

McNish noted that spa teams need to toe the line rather than remaining part of the team that doesn’t respect the GM.

Moore, however, said that GMs tend not to spend time developing their spa managers.

Antaki said spa teams could help themselves by having spa managers come to morning briefings about the whole hotel’s progress and thus become more involved in the property’s long-term planning and strategy.

Madden-Naddeau said that perhaps GMs need to be properly motivated to look after spa, by having the spa revenue figures contribute directly to GM bonus scheme rewards.

“We also found that many spa teams are terrified of GMs, so FRHI has taught its spa staff hospitality lingo to give them more confidence – because GMs want to be approached by team members who have confidence and a plan to make money,” added Madden-Nadeau.

Antaki said: “It’s the spa manager’s role to sell the idea to the GM and GMs want spa managers to come with all the numbers – to show a quantifiable return on the idea they have for the GM to see.

McNish added: “Spa managers need to do some research into hotel spending, but they also need to learn what the right time is to pitch to a GM. For example, if a spa manager pitches an idea after budgets are completed then the idea will not be implemented.”
MORE NEWS
Longevitix launches AI-powered platform to deliver longevity medicine at scale
Longevitix, a clinical platform for preventive and longevity medicine, has launched its AI- powered intelligence system to help physicians deliver continuous, personalised longevity- focused care at scale.
Atmantan Wellness Centre announces new wellness destination in Hyderabad
Atmantan Wellness Centre, an integrative wellness destination in Mulshi, near Pune in India, is expanding its portfolio by adding a new centre in Hyderabad that will launch between 2028 and 2029.
The Retreat Costa Rica debuts Vida Mía Longevity Centre
Luxury wellness resort, The Retreat Costa Rica, has introduced its Vida Mía Longevity Centre at the property’s Vida Mía Healing Centre and Spa.
Almost half of spa survey respondents are unaware cancer is a disability and not adapting treatments is discrimination
A recent survey by the UK Spa Association (UKSA) into the industry’s approach to cancer care has revealed that almost half of participating respondents (46 per cent) are unaware that cancer is a disability and guests with a cancer diagnosis must be given
+ More news   

FEATURED SUPPLIERS

Endospheres' new protocols are designed to meet real client needs
Spa professionals see it every day: clients are arriving with more complex expectations. [more...]

Longevity in spas: a strategic choice, not a default setting
Longevity has become one of the most debated concepts in contemporary wellness. [more...]
+ More featured suppliers  
COMPANY PROFILES
Balanced Body

Balanced Body is the global leader in Pilates equipment and education. Founded nearly 50 years ago, [more...]
Comfort Zone

Comfort Zone’s comprehensive face and body professional and retail range allows clients to experien [more...]
+ More profiles  
CATALOGUE GALLERY
 

+ More catalogues  

DIRECTORY
+ More directory  
DIARY

 

09-11 Jun 2026

World Sauna Forum 2026

Savutuvan Apaja, Haapaniemi, Finland
09-12 Jun 2026

W3Spa EMEA

Hotel Cascais Miragem Health & Spa, Portugal
+ More diary  
 
ABOUT LEISURE MEDIA
LEISURE MEDIA MAGAZINES
LEISURE MEDIA HANDBOOKS
LEISURE MEDIA WEBSITES
LEISURE MEDIA PRODUCT SEARCH
 
SPA BUSINESS
SPA OPPORTUNITIES
SPA BUSINESS HANDBOOK
PRINT SUBSCRIPTIONS
FREE DIGITAL SUBSCRIPTIONS
ADVERTISE . CONTACT US

Leisure Media
Tel: +44 (0)1462 431385

©Cybertrek 2026
Uniting the world of spa & wellness
Get Spa Business and Spa Business insider digital magazines FREE
Sign up here ▸
News   Products   Magazine   Subscribe
NEWS
Spameeting EMEA panel 4: are GMs stubborn or are spa managers high maintenance?
POSTED 07 Dec 2015 . BY Helen Andrews
Lindsay Madden-Naddeau said GMs need to be properly motivated to look after spa, by having the spa revenue figures contribute directly to GM bonus scheme rewards
The fourth panel at Spameeting EMEA at the Meydan Hotel in Dubai yesterday (6 December) was about the relationship between hotel general managers and spa staff. Spa directors and executives asked hospitality experts why GMs are stubborn when it comes to implementing plans for spa.

Kathryn Moore of Spa Connectors led the panel, which included Clive McNish of GOCO, Lindsay Madden-Nadeau of FRHI and Patrick Antaki – complex GM of Le Meridien Al Aqah Beach Resort and Al Maha desert resort and Tennis & Country Club in Fujairah.

Antaki said that, as a GM, his biggest challenge is changing customer expectations, experience and spending patterns.

“Customers aren’t spending as much as they used to, even in some of the very high end resorts we’ve seen a reduction in clients’ spend,” said Antaki. “It’s therefore about keeping associates motivated and to make sure they are selling.”

Moore asked if it is the spa manager’s job to make sure that the spa team is selling products and Antaki answered that it’s everyone’s job to sell.

Madden-Nadeau countered that from a spa manager’s perspective it’s hard to get the support required from the GM, which makes getting the financial results harder.

“Building a relationship with your GM, as a spa manager, is the most important lesson I’ve learned to move forward and have my initiatives recognised and implemented,” said Madden-Nadeau.

From a corporate perspective, however, Madden-Nadeau said that GMs see their hotels as their personal empire. “When they hear the word ‘corporate’, GMs aren’t open-minded.”

Patrick said this is because the spa is part of the hotel, and that makes it the GM’s domain: “GMs are the ones who have to explain not having achieved the bottom-line.”

Amid much disagreement, Madden-Nadeau highlighted that spa is not an area most GMs are comfortable with – they don’t know about utilisation of therapists and KPIs. GMs need to trust that they have corporate teams that are specialists.

“We aren’t here to compete with GMs – we need to help them make money so we can make money too. GMs need to drop their egos at the door and allow us to come in and educate teams so we can all meet our goals,” added Madden-Nadeau.

McNish of GOCO – playing devil's advocate – noted, however, that hospitality staff and therapists seem to be from different worlds – “Spa is a high maintenance department. While hospitality staff understand they have to work 16-hour shifts, therapists have evenings planned – and when they don’t want to stay, there’s often crying and pleading. When a therapist eventually weakens and stays grudgingly to carry out the treatment, you still get a complaint anyway! Spa is the only department that gets a break room, they’re off sick, GMs don’t understand why they should pay therapists commission because they don’t pay waiters to serve food. Therapists and spas work with a salon mindset and not a hospitality attitude.”

Moore agreed that there’s some truth in this ‘high maintenance’ perspective but Madden-Nadeau insisted that being a massage therapist is a tough role.

“It takes a lot of work to teach someone how to give a treatment – not that being a waiter or delivering hospitality service isn’t hard too – but as a therapist you react to people’s energy in a spa,” said Madden-Nadeau. “As a therapist you can be dealing with a client’s negative energy for a whole hour several times a day, so it’s emotionally draining.”

“I try to explain spa to GMs like a restaurant. If I have only seven tables in my restaurant (spa) and I can only flip them once an hour – rather than a hotel restaurant that can be flipped twice an hour – I need support to make money. The support from the GM is what can enable me to create a seven treatment room Michelin spa,” added Madden-Nadeau.

Andrew Gibson, also of FRHI, spoke from the audience: “You have to bridge the gap and speak hotel talk to hotel people to get them to understand the relevance of spa. However, I think there’s a fundamental problem for GMs – most of them are trained in 10 of the top hotel schools in the world but these schools offer 11 weeks of engineering, weeks of F&B and only one week of optional spa-focused training. GMs aren’t trained in this sphere and if you aren’t comfortable about something you tend to avoid it or pass it on to someone else. This will only change for GMs when the curriculum changes, and when they are taught to become asset managers – to get all the revenue possible from a hotel’s different features.”

Antaki agreed that schools need to change their curriculum to reflect spa management but he said a GM can’t be an effective specialist in each department, so the professionals need to advise the GM.

McNish noted that spa teams need to toe the line rather than remaining part of the team that doesn’t respect the GM.

Moore, however, said that GMs tend not to spend time developing their spa managers.

Antaki said spa teams could help themselves by having spa managers come to morning briefings about the whole hotel’s progress and thus become more involved in the property’s long-term planning and strategy.

Madden-Naddeau said that perhaps GMs need to be properly motivated to look after spa, by having the spa revenue figures contribute directly to GM bonus scheme rewards.

“We also found that many spa teams are terrified of GMs, so FRHI has taught its spa staff hospitality lingo to give them more confidence – because GMs want to be approached by team members who have confidence and a plan to make money,” added Madden-Nadeau.

Antaki said: “It’s the spa manager’s role to sell the idea to the GM and GMs want spa managers to come with all the numbers – to show a quantifiable return on the idea they have for the GM to see.

McNish added: “Spa managers need to do some research into hotel spending, but they also need to learn what the right time is to pitch to a GM. For example, if a spa manager pitches an idea after budgets are completed then the idea will not be implemented.”
MORE NEWS
Longevitix launches AI-powered platform to deliver longevity medicine at scale
Longevitix, a clinical platform for preventive and longevity medicine, has launched its AI- powered intelligence system to help physicians deliver continuous, personalised longevity- focused care at scale.
Atmantan Wellness Centre announces new wellness destination in Hyderabad
Atmantan Wellness Centre, an integrative wellness destination in Mulshi, near Pune in India, is expanding its portfolio by adding a new centre in Hyderabad that will launch between 2028 and 2029.
The Retreat Costa Rica debuts Vida Mía Longevity Centre
Luxury wellness resort, The Retreat Costa Rica, has introduced its Vida Mía Longevity Centre at the property’s Vida Mía Healing Centre and Spa.
Almost half of spa survey respondents are unaware cancer is a disability and not adapting treatments is discrimination
A recent survey by the UK Spa Association (UKSA) into the industry’s approach to cancer care has revealed that almost half of participating respondents (46 per cent) are unaware that cancer is a disability and guests with a cancer diagnosis must be given
Solmar Hotels and Resorts offers Temazcal ceremony for Global Wellness Day
Mexican operator, Solmar Hotels and Resorts, is hosting a series of events in celebration of Global Wellness Day, including a Temazcal ceremony at its Playa Grande Resort and Spa in Los Cabos.
Mandarin Oriental announces standalone Mansions-branded residences for Abu Dhabi
Mandarin Oriental has announced a standalone residence brand, Mansions, which will debut at Emirates Palace, Mandarin Oriental Mansions, Abu Dhabi, in 2029.
+ More news   
 
FEATURED SUPPLIERS

Endospheres' new protocols are designed to meet real client needs
Spa professionals see it every day: clients are arriving with more complex expectations. [more...]

Longevity in spas: a strategic choice, not a default setting
Longevity has become one of the most debated concepts in contemporary wellness. [more...]
+ More featured suppliers  
COMPANY PROFILES
Balanced Body

Balanced Body is the global leader in Pilates equipment and education. Founded nearly 50 years ago, [more...]
+ More profiles  
CATALOGUE GALLERY
+ More catalogues  

DIRECTORY
+ More directory  
DIARY

 

09-11 Jun 2026

World Sauna Forum 2026

Savutuvan Apaja, Haapaniemi, Finland
09-12 Jun 2026

W3Spa EMEA

Hotel Cascais Miragem Health & Spa, Portugal
+ More diary  
 


ADVERTISE . CONTACT US

Leisure Media
Tel: +44 (0)1462 431385

©Cybertrek 2026

ABOUT LEISURE MEDIA
LEISURE MEDIA MAGAZINES
LEISURE MEDIA HANDBOOKS
LEISURE MEDIA WEBSITES
LEISURE MEDIA PRODUCT SEARCH
PRINT SUBSCRIPTIONS
FREE DIGITAL SUBSCRIPTIONS